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The Washington Post

March 19, 2000, Sunday, Final Edition

SECTION: STYLE; Pg. F01

LENGTH: 5226 words

HEADLINE: UNFORTUNATE SON; The burglary, the embezzlement, the conspiracy to murder? All in the past. That more recent fit of lies? Hey, he was under a lot of stress. Jim Hatfield wants you to know it's okay to trust him now.

BYLINE: Kathy Sawyer , Washington Post Staff Writer

DATELINE: NEW YORK

 

Jim Hatfield, aspiring celebrity-author, sat on a couch in the greenroom of Court TV, near the top of a semi-tall building in midtown. He was jazzed, ready to "go live."

But--tick-tock. First he had to wait, and wait, for some developments in the Amadou Diallo case to play out on the same cable channel.

Passing the time with adrenaline-driven chitchat, he observed that the greenroom was actually blue. He discussed the relative appeal of female anchors. Inevitably, Rick Rockwell's name came up--the spurned groom from the "Who Wants to Marry a Multi-Millionaire?" TV show. "I really feel sorry for the guy," Hatfield said, shaking his head, philosophizing about the media's tendency to put people on a pedestal and then kick it down. "What's happening to him happened to me about four months ago."

Here, without discernible irony, Hatfield expressed profound sadness and bitter disillusionment with the hypocrisy and betrayals and downright dishonesty of certain publishers and other media types he has encountered in his continuing foray through the minefields of marginal notoriety.

Last October he had a major New York publisher presenting him to the world as the industrious author of an "explosive" biography: He alone in all the world had apparently nailed the long-rumored allegations about a youthful cocaine bust involving Texas governor and Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush.

The explosive part, it turned out, was Hatfield's hidden felonious past. Two decades earlier, he was doing time in Arkansas for burglary. One decade ago, having dabbled in embezzlement, he was again behind prison walls--this time in Texas for paying a hit man $ 5,000 to kill a woman.

When all this started to come out on the very brink of his book's publication, he lied, claiming the felon was some other guy. His denial quickly collapsed. His book was withdrawn.

This, according to Hatfield, was the locus of a web of cowardice and deceit that has deprived him of his just rewards. A tricky argument, at best, but one he can tell to the judge--or at least to Catherine Crier, the former Texas judge now hosting an upcoming segment on Court TV.

Hatfield, 42, adjusted the J. Riggins tweed jacket he wore over a black turtleneck sweater. He's got soft guileless features, plump baby cheeks set off by a professorial mustache and chin hair. His skin is sun-damaged, Jill, the makeup person, had observed earlier as she leaned in with a sponge of pancake.

He was not alone with his jitters. The young sidekick sitting next to him there in the very anteroom of celebrity was a spike-haired former Kinko's manager and self-described "punk" named Sander Hicks who--as the head of Soft Skull Press--is Hatfield's latest publisher. This was the comeback tour.

Before this appearance on "The Crier Report," there had been an interview with Lesley Stahl on "60 Minutes." Last night, Hatfield had chatted with the Sunday Times of London. That evening, Hatfield would do "Hannity & Colmes," on Fox. Nineteen floors down, Court TV limousines waited to take the pair wherever they wanted to go.

Is this a great country, or what?

Pulped Fiction?

Roving bands of top reporters had searched in vain for the prize that Hatfield claimed to have dug up almost effortlessly for his book, whose full title is "Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President." When the publisher began promoting it to the media last October, journalists quickly detected numerous deficiencies. Hatfield cited nothing other than three anonymous sources to support his assertion that Bush had been arrested for cocaine possession in 1972 and, with the help of his powerful father and a sympathetic judge, had his record expunged.

Leave aside the fact that the Bushes angrily denied the allegations. The sources sounded bogus. A columnist for the online magazine Slate, for example, caught Hatfield describing one of the three as "pausing to spit tobacco juice into the ever-present Styrofoam cup," even though Hatfield had said the interview was conducted over the phone. Hatfield then admitted that detail was bogus.

The media watchdog Brill's Content would later sum up the weaknesses this way: "There was no date of arrest, no judge's name, no police officer's name, no paper trail." With nothing but three unnamed sources, "the story's credibility rested on the author's credibility."

And that went quickly south. On Oct. 19, as the book was being released, reporter Pete Slover of the Dallas Morning News called the offices of Hatfield's publisher, St. Martin's Press, to propose that Hatfield the biographer was none other than Hatfield the felon, now on parole after serving five years of a 15-year sentence for solicitation of capital murder. St. Martin's officials confronted Hatfield with the accusations as he sat in their offices lunching on carryout sushi.

Hatfield reacted with convincing indignation, according to John Murphy, St. Martin's head of public relations. "He seemed absolutely shocked and angry. His eyes just sort of rolled to the heavens." Hatfield adamantly denied the charges, saying Slover must be confusing him with some other guy. It was part of a conspiracy by powerful Bush allies to discredit him, Hatfield suggested.

But comparisons of Social Security numbers, mug shots and comments by the felon's parole officer quickly tagged the 42-year-old author as the ex-con in question. Slover's story ran on Oct. 21. The next day St. Martin's withdrew the book, recalling most of the 70,000 copies it had shipped and dismissing it as "furnace fodder." (Actually, Murphy says, the book was not burned. "It was pulped.")

Even so, enough copies remained on the market--a kind of black market at this point--to reflect the burst of publicity: The book peaked in late October at No. 8 on the Amazon.com chart and at 30 on the New York Times nonfiction hardcover list.

Hatfield abruptly disappeared. Feeling beseiged, he says, he decided to "get the hell out of Dodge." Next, a media pack descended on his home town of Bentonville, Ark., prompting him to rush his wife and newborn daughter to a safe haven. Within days of the debacle, the unbooked author e-mailed the online Drudge Report to declare that he would never appear on "60 Minutes" or the other national TV shows that had made him offers. He would grant no interviews. The focus, he said, should be on Bush. Hatfield vowed he would fade quietly into the woodwork.

And Back Again

Enter the punk.

"The book they burned is back," trumpets Hicks's Soft Skull Press on the cover of its reincarnation of "Favorite Son." Like the original, this version relegates the anonymous charges against Bush to an afterword. But it adds a foreword, in which Hatfield gives his version of his criminal activities and the events surrounding their disclosure.

"St. Martin's wanted to make Hatfield seem establishment. That's really not who Hatfield was, or is," Hicks said, deadpan. This was early in the day, before the Court TV appearance, when Hicks was at work in the proud gloom of Soft Skull's basement offices on the Lower East Side.

Hicks, 29, is all sharp angles, fairly vibrating with exuberant attitude, his hair swept back and gelled into points. He had on a gray gabardine jacket he bought for $ 3.00 at Value Village in Vegas. His desk is set amid cracked concrete, rough boards and a worn, quilt-covered couch with a big white lacy doily splashed on its back.

Having spent some of his youth in Falls Church, Hicks once told Washington's City Paper that he had been influenced by "everything that had been conditioned by the D.C. punk scene. . . . dissent, resistance, beauty, energy and empowerment."

He co-founded Soft Skull in 1992, he says, "as a guerrilla operation run under the table at the Kinko's" where he was employed, copying his first book on the Xerox 5090 there. Eventually, Hicks took Soft Skull corporate, selling shares in the stock to friends, authors and family and scoring profiles in the New York Times and Village Voice.

One of Soft Skull's new titles is by Zack Exley, infamous as creator of the Web site gwbush.com, which features faked images of candidate Bush with a straw up his nose, doing lines of cocaine. Last year the site so enraged the candidate that he blurted at a news conference that "there ought to be limits to freedom."

"Fortunate Son" had Soft Skull written all over it.

To date, the house has printed 45,000 copies, Hicks said, and "we have had 32,000 trade orders, which are basically sales to bookstores."

Asked if he has any concerns at all about Hatfield's credibility, Hicks side-stepped adroitly. "I love that question--it shows how Bush has evaded the questions raised" by the book. He mentioned Bush's poor record in defending the environment against big business and other issues.

The one element of Hatfield's past that seemed to give Hicks pause was the discovery that he was a Reagan Democrat. Hicks got a funny look on his face when he heard Hatfield mention that, but soon found a way to shrug it off. "My mother was a Reagan Democrat," he said with a grin.

Pressed on the point, Hicks said, "Maybe Hatfield isn't aiming to be, like, the next Martin Luther King or Karl Marx or Frederick Douglass, but he's got a great analytical eye and he can spot a spoiled rich kid when he sees one." Meaning Bush. Also, Hicks added, "he's hard-working and always delivers on time." (This line is a kind of mantra in the Hatfield saga, repeated by at least three Hatfield publishers.)

Soft Skull, Hicks went on, "has the potential to start and lead a political movement--a reformist movement to the left. . . . I have a burning passion to eliminate starvation on a world scale . . ."

A co-worker stuck his head in to inform Hicks that the Court TV limo was waiting outside.

'Got Into a Little Trouble'

"There ain't no sin and there ain't no virtue. There's just stuff people do."

--J.H. Hatfield, quoting his mother quoting Steinbeck's "Grapes of Wrath," in an author's note for "Fortunate Son"

After the Court TV taping, at a midtown restaurant called Rive Gauche that Hatfield had scouted out, the waitress, a young blonde named Liberty, had obviously caught Hatfield's attention. He was pleased that she remembered him from the night before, when he had been in with a reporter from London. "Hey, Liberty? I'll probably be back a few times before I leave on Friday," he told her. "I'm makin' this my hangout while I'm up here." This was another interview, he explained, so he'd be needing the table a little longer than for a normal lunch.

This Hatfield is a Southern archetype: disarmingly down-homey, lightly self-effacing, polite, mentally agile, keenly attuned to the mindset of his listener(s). As one of Hatfield's former associates in Dallas put it: "He's pleasant and affable and quite frankly has a good sense of humor. A very likable guy. You know, you wouldn't suspect him of trying to kill somebody just to get their job."

Over coffee, following a burger and fries, Hatfield talked about the twists and turns his life had taken. He grew up in the foothills of the Ozarks, a region dominated by the Tyson chicken and Wal-Mart empires headquartered there. He was the second son of a chicken doctor. "Not a degreed doctor," but a self-educated veterinarian who drove around, sometimes with young James tagging along, and attended to the poultry in the chicken houses dotting the rolling hills. Hatfield's mother worked for Wal-Mart, he said, "in warehouse and distribution."

The young Hatfield had what he described as "a very religious upbringing" in the Church of Christ. No musical instruments, no dancing allowed. Always drawn to writing, he says he asked his parents for an electric typewriter for Christmas when he was about 12. "Everybody had high expectations for me. I was supposed to marry the preacher's daughter."

Instead, he said, he dropped out of college, married (and soon divorced) a girl "nobody wanted me to marry," got arrested for writing bad checks, then got convicted and imprisoned for burglary, serving seven months of a five-year sentence. "I've analyzed it a lot of times. Everybody was shocked 'cause I rebelled. . . . I mean, I just decided that here's a kid that never did anything when he was growing up except sit in his room and do homework. . . . Went to Harding College on a track scholarship and then I quit like four weeks after I was there. Came home, got into a little trouble."

That time, he said, "I broke into a couple of houses that weren't too far from us. . . I don't know why I did it. . . . It was a major step, because I was just the perfect child."

In 1976, after he got out of jail, he joined a stream of other kids from Bentonville and headed for the nearest big city: Dallas. Hatfield says he worked briefly for an oil company and wrote freelance entertainment reviews.

He eventually went to work for a finance company that had HUD-subsidized properties across Texas. One of the top officials there was Delores Kay Burrow, the woman he would end up trying to murder.

But first, over a period of years, he stole tens of thousands of dollars from the firm. He blames the company. The management structure, he writes in the new foreword, "foisted [sic] a breeding ground for individual greed and corruption."

"It was the whole atmosphere," he said as the late shift came on at the restaurant. Liberty had gone. "It was government-subsidized property, it's government money, it was easy money . . . it was right there, it was disposable. There really wasn't a check-and-balance system to it."

Hatfield's hankering to be an author was evident during this period, an acquaintance in Dallas remembers. He told co-workers he had won a contest to publish a James Bond novel after the death of Bond creator Ian Fleming. "Years went by and we never saw the book. We wondered if it was really true," the acquaintance said.

Eventually, Hatfield showed up with hard evidence: copies of his first book, "The Killing Zone." (The jacket blurb announces: "Bond has his hands full as he battles a lucious [sic] lady assassin. . . . Aided by his sex-galore confederate Lotta Head . . . 007 is pitted against Klaus Doberman in his heavily armed fortress.") When he left the company, Hatfield's colleagues assumed a connection. "Everybody was happy that he had found a career other than collecting rents and managing properties," the acquaintance said. "That he was going to go off and become an author."

Hatfield now admits that this was another deception. "I was so overly confident that my work would be selected, I boasted to everybody. When it wasn't selected, I self-published and sold it to everybody I knew. I really had egg on my face, but nothing compared to now."

The Bomb

One February day in 1987, a bomb went off beneath a Buick in a multilevel parking garage in Dallas. Fortunately, the foot-long pipe bomb malfunctioned, and the car's two passengers--Burrow and a colleague-- were not injured. The survivors owe their lives, apparently, to the technical ineptitude of one Charles Ray Crawford, whom Hatfield paid $ 5,000 to do the job.

Hatfield says now that he hired the hit man only as a favor to his boss, Lawrence R. Burk, who had promoted him, participated in the corruption with him, had in fact become like a father to him. Hatfield claims Burk wanted Burrow killed because she was trying to blackmail him over an old extramarital affair between the two of them. Hatfield says he never intended the bomb attack to succeed. "Crawford wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer," he writes. "I honestly believed and hoped that he would just take [the money] and run."

Attorneys for Burk and Burrow say Hatfield's allegations about their clients are "horrendous, libelous" lies from start to finish. Hatfield's real motivation, they argue, was not to please Burk. It was, first, to silence Burrow after she stumbled onto his stealing and, second, to take her job. Lawyer Michael Eaton says he has a witness who heard Hatfield say more than once that he wanted to kill Burrow "because he was enraged about the fact that this incompetent woman was his supervisor" and "if he got her out of the way. . . everyone would recognize what a managerial genius he was. He is a real narcissistic kind of a guy, from what I can tell, but I think most sociopaths are."

The U.S. attorney's office, the FBI, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and the HUD inspector general all investigated Burk years ago based on Hatfield's accusations, the Dallas attorneys say, but never charged him with anything.

Over the clink of flatware at the restaurant, Hatfield said of his intended victim: "She wasn't liked by anybody." Then he said: "She confided in me. We were very close . . . which made it more difficult, too, because I knew her. . . . It's hard to explain, I guess.

"I never thought she would [be killed]. I really didn't. The last time I saw her, when I left the company--and not to sound like Judas, but--I kissed her on the cheek and said goodbye, and [we] wished each other well and went our separate ways . . . I just kinda felt trapped, and I was also leaving the company . . ."

Burk and Burrow are suing Hatfield, Soft Skull, Amazon.com, Barnes & Noble and Borders for libel damages based on the contents of the new foreword. Hatfield has offered to settle the suit by deleting the foreword from future editions and inserting the following: "With heartfelt apologies and contrition, the author regrets the references to Lawrence R. Burk and Delores Kay Burrow Hardman [her new married name] in the previous edition." At most, Eaton said that might help mitigate the damages--a little.

Fifteen months after the failed murder attempt, Crawford rolled over on Hatfield in exchange for a reduced sentence. In July 1988, Hatfield pleaded guilty to solicitation of capital murder and was sentenced to 15 years. When he walked out the door of the Huntsville prison known as The Walls on parole five years later, U.S. marshals rounded him up and took him to El Reno, in Oklahoma, to do federal time related to the embezzlement.

"I wrote [in prison]," Hatfield said. "Matter of fact, writing has always been a salvation for me."

A thought occurred to him. "Maybe I should just stick to crime fiction, you know, like Elmore Leonard."

After he was paroled back to Bentonville, he got himself an agent and a publisher. Working out of an office in a converted barn, he churned out six or seven quickie paperbacks, such as the "The Ultimate Unauthorized Star Wars Trilogy Trivia Challenge," "Lost in Space: The Ultimate Unauthorized Trivia Challenge for the Classic TV Series," an encyclopedia of "X-Files" trivia, and biographies of "Star Wars" actors Ewan McGregor and Patrick Stewart. "It's not John Grisham money, that's for sure. But I like to think I make a fairly decent living at it," he said.

His decision to step up to a Bush biography was "a natural progression," he said over coffee. "This was my first hardcover. He's a man I've been fascinated with, from strictly a biographer's point of view." One of his selling points in dealing with St. Martin's was that the Texas-based parents of his current wife, Nancy, had some connections in Bush circles that would help him get interviews, he said.

In a cheery blurb he wrote about his emergent authorial self for Amazon.com a few years ago, he alludes to another possible selling point: He's a glutton for headlines. "My publisher loves the fact that I'm a publicity hound."

No Checks

"A good book is the precious life-blood of a master spirit, embalmed and treasured up on purpose to a life beyond life."

--Milton

"Do I know for a fact these allegations [about Bush] are true? No, of course not. But I know that the author believes them to be true."

--Thomas Dunne of St. Martin's Press, original publisher of "Fortunate Son," quoted in the online magazine Salon

The rise of the Internet has generated a fog of angst over its roiling, unconstrained frontier stampede of voices from anywhere. The Hatfield incident (among others) has swung the spotlight fleetingly back onto books, reminding anyone who cared to notice that this--one of the most ancient and revered information technologies--has its own shadowland of hustlers and slackers, grifters and drifters.

Thomas Dunne, 53, the first publisher of "Fortunate Son," operates an eclectic, profitable, high-volume fiefdom within St. Martin's. The Dunne imprint alone publishes 125 books a year, St. Martin's spokesman Murphy said, giving each of its nine editors only weeks to work on a given title. Among his successful authors are fiction writers Rosamunde Pilcher and Frederick Forsyth. But Dunne had also suffered another high-profile misstep in 1996, when he signed up scholar David Irving to write a biography of Joseph Goebbels. Irving turned out to be linked with Holocaust deniers. The book was withdrawn.

The publisher advanced Hatfield $ 25,000 for the book. Nobody at St. Martin's had met the author until he arrived for the abortive book promotion last October, according to Murphy. No fact checking was done. Nobody insisted on knowing Hatfield's sources or on securing supporting material for his sensational charges. Knowing nothing of his criminal record, and despite his lack of journalistic credentials, they trusted the author, who was represented by a reputable agent. They took comfort, by all accounts, in the sheer volume of his notes and files, and in his general demeanor.

A standard lawyering of the book turned up no problems. This is hardly surprising, and had nothing to do with confirming the book's accuracy. For one thing, Murphy and others said, the typical book contract, including Hatfield's, provides that the writer, not the publisher, will be held accountable for any libelous material. For another, the standard required to prove libel against a public figure such as a politician is so high that few bother to sue.

It was not until the book was in galley proofs, Hatfield said, that he was inspired by a Bush cocaine scenario--circulating in anonymous e-mails on the Internet--to revisit certain of his sources and flesh out the drug incident.

Those sources are not named, but Hatfield does fill 54 pages with names and publications from which he says he drew information, none of them tied to any particular statements. Journalists for two different publications contacted random samplings of people in the list, with negative results: In one case, 10 of the alleged sources, and in the other case 17, denied ever talking to Hatfield. (The author says that they are mistaken, publicity-shy or intimidated by the power of the Bush family.)

On their comeback tour, Hatfield and Hicks have complained that St. Martin's rushed "Fortunate Son" into print in order to capitalize on the drug scandal, forcing certain journalistic compromises along the way.

From its headquarters in Manhattan's Flatiron Building, St. Martin's denies the accusations, saying its decision to speed up publication was made before Hatfield came up with the sensational drug allegations and solely in order to be competitive with other scheduled Bush books.

The Hatfield affair merely represents business as usual in significant chunks of the publishing industry, industry leaders and analysts say. In an era when books are treated more and more like any other consumer product, publishers often care more about getting books to market and less about accuracy. Brill's Content, in a review of the Hatfield scandal, concludes that publishers don't do more research into their authors' backgrounds "because they don't believe they need to. The odds are on their side. More than 65,000 books are published every year, and the number of times that a publisher has been humiliated by revelations of an author's dishonesty is negligible."

The Fallout

The revelation of Hatfield's criminal past shook St. Martin's. Editor in Chief Robert Wallace resigned, saying, "I do not in any way wish to have my name associated with 'Fortunate Son' " or with future books by Thomas Dunne Books, "over which I have no control."

Other St. Martin's executives claimed that Wallace had had opportunities to speak out against the controversial afterword, but never did. In a telephone interview, Murphy said: "I ran it past him. He agreed it was absolutely newsworthy."

However, Wallace has indicated that this exchange occurred not long before publication, when Murphy was looking for help generating publicity and that for all Wallace knew, "the author could have been from the planet Xenon."

Wallace, like Dunne and most others at St. Martin's, has declined recent requests for interviews on the topic. But Dunne spoke with Brill's Content earlier, dismissing the flap with a verbal shrug: "There are corrections in the New York Times all the time." Besides, he said, the drug charges "could still be true."

A Man of Conviction

"When all this happened four months ago, I said, 'Can they do that? Can they say that about me?' "

Hatfield was recalling a conversation with his lawyer about the negative media attention. His lawyer responded, "How many times have you been asked, when you worked on biographies, do you have permission to work on that book?"

"I go, 'Well, if they're a public figure you can do an unauthorized biography.' And he goes, 'Guess what--you're a public figure now.' "

Hatfield said he tries to roll with the punches. "But you get upset sometimes. Salon put our street address [online] and . . . showed [my wife's] maiden name and when we got married and tried to talk to our preacher and had private information about our mortgage and I, you know, that doesn't have anything to do with me, my past, the book, Bush, anything. So, like I say, we got a little gun-shy with some of that stuff."

The recent unpleasantness has apparently shocked his in-laws. "Let's put it this way," Hatfield says. "We're supposed to go visit in May? I'm not going. My wife and baby are going."

Hatfield knows how to do a mea culpa. "I shouldn't have been in any of it," he said, referring to the felonies.

But he maintains that his ethics--today--are solid. "I can't tell you--the tabloids have offered me money for the sources. I just took out a second mortgage on my home, because of legal fees, and it'd be nice to take $ 50,000 and give 'em the sources. But I'm not gonna do it."

Why all this concern about his sources, he wonders almost to himself. Why aren't people going after Bush?

Hatfield likes to quote a passage from the New York Times that made note of the numerous great, or at least accepted, authors who had done time in prison, saying of "Fortunate Son": "People might not mind a former convict writing a book as long as the book is really good."

As Hatfield interprets it, the passage makes the point that he, like those others, should be forgiven his past. He is not shy about including himself in exalted company: He compares his situation to that of Joe Klein, who lied about authoring the book "Primary Colors," to TV actor Tim Allen, who served time on a drug charge before becoming famous, and to Watergate investigators Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein, who protected their sources.

Hatfield sort of knew his background might come out once he decided to lob allegations at a powerful figure like Bush, he said. So he has a hard time explaining why, when it actually happened, he lied and denied and, once he was nailed, ran.

The word "lie" exasperates him. "Boy, if I hear that one more time, worded that way. Because it all happened in the span of one afternoon. That was it. I mean, St. Martin's hit me up, I did not want to address it at that time. I wanted to get home. It's that simple. Maybe it's difficult for some people to understand, but I had a newborn baby. I had a wife. I knew it was going to run in the Dallas Morning News. . . . I don't know how to describe it, but I'm up here in NYC, I'm all by myself, the whole world's comin' in on me. . . . [St. Martin's was demanding] 'Tell us who your sources are or we're going to recall the book.' I'm like, 'You know, you've been asking for these damn sources from day one. You want me to leak 'em out to some newspaper people and everything, I'm not doing that.'

" . . . But the major reason, I was just tryin' to kill a little time. Just stall."

On a Roll

Now Hatfield and Hicks were out under the hot lights in the minefield of marginal notoriety and situational ethics and freedom of speech, cameras rolling. It was Court TV's "Crier Today." Crier was hitting them with the tough questions, about lying and credibility and the need to get corroboration and all of that.

Hicks assured her Hatfield had told him the names of his three anonymous sources. Well, she asked, have you checked them out? "I have not personally called them up on the phone, but I have the feeling that they would not want to talk to me, the punk of publishing."

Moments later, getting comfortable, Hicks pounds home a message he likes better: "This is a struggle, and we're definitely up against some very powerful enemies here. But you have to look at their tactics. Bush is a dirty politician. I've got a lot more integrity as a punk rocker than he does as a politician. And I will stand by that."

Here he played the Bob Jones University card, noting that Bush "spoke at a place that's basically, like, really really scary, Nazi-type Christians."

Hatfield had grown bolder, too, as the words flowed past, and started calling Crier by her first name, getting playful at times, teasing her about her Texas accent when she referred to his time in "the pen." He chuckled, "That's the judge comin' out, the peauhn." She laughed with him, then continued, "But nevertheless . . ." And at other points he even got a bit stern and reproachful, saying to her, "Let me correct you on something . . . ."

Afterward, Hicks would put out a jubilant press release on his Soft Skull Web site stating that "millions" of viewers had seen this performance. Would it be too cruel to tell him that the actual number of households reported by an official service was 157,000?

As the interview ran out of time, Hatfield took up the defense of his new best friend sitting next to him: "I'd defend this guy to the end of time because he's a maverick, he's independent, he's not scared of anybody, he's not like a St. Martin's Press that the first time somebody goes boo, because they're some big conglomerate publishing company, they recall it. Not just recall it, Catherine, but burned it. We don't burn books in this country."

Crier, thanking them for coming, said, "If this continues on, I would like to talk to y'all again, and if you ever decide to come forward with sources, let's, let's get it on the record."

Now, back down on the sidewalk on an unseasonably balmy day, Hatfield and Hicks were elated. Live TV! No filters. You get to tell your side, man, you get a little control. "Whoawooh!" Hicks whooped skyward.

They decided to dismiss their limos and walk, the better to savor this magnificent media moment.

 

 

 

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