Networks Won't Tell You"
Interview with Daniel Hopsicker
by Sander Hicks
6/11/04 on INN World Report,
TV, Channel 9415, DiSHNetwork
HICKS: We joined here
today with Daniel Hopsicker. Daniel Hopsicker
is one of the leading independent researchers,
author of two books. Daniel, welcome to the
HOPSICKER: Pleased to
HICKS: The new book is
called Welcome to Terrorland, about
Mohammad Atta and the 911 cover up in Florida.
There is a lot to talk about here. You are
unique because a lot of these 911 books are
speculative. But you do did two years of independent
research in Florida obviously putting yourself
through a lot of risk and danger. We want
to jump in and talk about Amanda Keller, Mohammad
Attas girlfriend and maybe go to a clip
later, but before we do that give us the summary
of what youve found in Florida.
HOPSICKER: What I found
in Florida was that the government story about
the terrorist conspiracys activities
before September 11th is not just
an error, it s a lie. The time line is wrong.
The FBIs timeline is wrong. Everything
they are doing is designed to protect an operation
that was under way in southwest Florida that
trained, between 1999 and September 2001,
literally hundreds of Arabs to fly. In other
words, in 1998, there were two or three Arabs
learning how to fly, by the end of 99
it was flying hundreds of them. So obviously
there was a covert operation going on; the
flight school where Mohammad Atta went to,
Huffman Aviation in Florida is not a business
and was not operating like a business. So
it was, and is, something else.
HICKS You do your homework
in this book and you talk about the media
paper trail, how they would report one thing
one day and then the story changes and details
are taken out [in subsequent reports] such
as Mohammad Atta was drinking heavily in this
bar and then a week later, suddenly the details
of the drinking are taken out. Seems like
an official story is being created about Mohammad
Atta, "he was an Islamic Fundamentalist."
HOPSICKER: Well there
were inconvenient facts being reported in
the press after September 11. Mohammad Attas
girlfriend is an example, you just mentioned,
the big drinking night, and three nights before
HICKS: And there is sensational
info about Mohammad Atta being kept about
his foot fetish, his small penis and the three
day cocaine adventures in the Key West, but
lets get beyond the sensational details and
lets go behind the scenes, you did some great
research about Rudy Dekkers and Wally Hilliard,
the guys that were running and owning Huffman
aviation, where 2 out of 4 pilots were trained,
lets talk about your trip to Lynchburg, Virginia
that you talk about in this book.
HOPSICKER: Lets talk about
Britannia Aviation which is an interesting
subject, the operation that was taking place
in Venice Florida was not a business, not
a flight school that was operating, it was
something else. Housed inside Huffman Aviation
was a company nobody ever heard about.
Hicks And you called
to Virginia, by a reporter
HOPSICKER: By a reporter
who said that this company he never heard
of had just won a major city contract run
one of the airline facilities out at the airport
over a local competitor who had 45 employees
and a multi million dollar bank account. Where
as these two guys Huffman Aviation was a paper
company and they had less that 750 dollars
in the bank. Lynchburg, VA interestingly enough
was also home of Reverend Jerry Falwell, and
the owner of Huffman aviation Wally Hilliard,
gave Falwell a million dollar loan in 1995
that Falwell has felt no need to re-pay.
HICKS: Now the chamber
of commerce obviously in Lynchburg are nice
businessmen concerned because this company,
Britannia Aviation, has landed this contract
without having any kind of credibility
HOPSICKER: None. None
and since then Ive got phone calls from
Lynchburg Airport that tell me that one plane
comes in a week, and then goes into the hangar
and the doors immediately come down and that
they have shades on all of the windows. Whatever
they were doing there could not be paying
the lease on the land that they were paying
HICKS I think the real
shocker was the
what was the quotation?
"Green light from the DEA?"
HOPSICKER: Correct. That
s what Huffman Aviation had
HICKS And who told
HOPSICKER: A business
owner at the Venice airport who checked with
the DEA contact of his, to find out about
what these peoples connection might
be after Sept. 11th . And he was
told that they had a "green light from
HICKS So in the book you
talk about the connection of Wally Hilliard,
the owner of Huffman Aviation had with Jerry
Falwell also Truman Arnold
HOPSICKER: And the whole
point is that the government story is that
these terrorists wandered into flight schools
here and there across the country of course
all of them, three or four of them learnt
to fly and flew on September 11. So the governments
story is that they just wandered in there.
Well, the owner and the manager of that facility
had ties at the highest levels of the US government
in political circles
HICKS You are talking
about Rudy or Wally now?
HOPSICKER: Wally Hilliard,
finance chief connected to the former political
Democratic political party finance chairman.
HICKS Hilliard has
connections, but lets talk about his henchman,
HOPSICKER: Rudy Dekkers
is the person everybody remembers, because
Rudy was the man who told us who these hijackers
were the day after the attack
HICKS He was a camera
HOPSICKER: He was on every
TV show youve ever heard of, he was
on Larry King and did all of the major TV
HICKS But what have
you found out about him?
HOPSICKER: Well he is
an international criminal, he is called by
the prosecuting attorneys in his native Netherlands,
to which he can not return without going to
jail, "the spider in the web of intrigue."
So this international criminal was telling
us who Mohammad Atta was. And its just ridiculous,
it's not that they didnt do the due
diligence. It's that they were told to interview
this person. Several people in Huffman Aviation
told me that FBI was telling this guy what
to say before he went up in front of the cameras
HICKS That's amazing.
Youre saying that FBI was feeding Dekkers
the office manager of the Naples facility
said that there was a FBI man sitting there
feeding him lies.
HICKS What did Max
Bruge told you about Rudy Dekkers?
HOPSICKER: That was interesting
introduced himself as a consultant to the
government of the US an ex marine with the
brushcut, owns an airport in Mississippi.
And clearly he had strong government connections,
and he told me he had checked in to Wally
and Rudy, based on things I told him. What
he heard about Rudy Dekkers was "Rudy
was huge." He is not national, he is
"transnational." And he was warned
to stay away from him and not to ask questions.
HICKS Max was warned
to stay away and not questions?
It seems that Rudy is falling out the favor
and with whoever he was connected to
HOPSICKER:, He embarrassed
the president of the US according to the source
that I told you about ..
HICKS Right and there
was a mysterious helicopter crash
HOPSICKER: See the basic
story is and I need to tell you in just 30
seconds is [that] the governments story
is that I call the Magic Dutch Boy theory.
Remember the Kennedy assassination when the
"magic bullet" has passed thru three
people, the only way they could make a story
of one lone gunman even remotely logically
HICKS Most of the people
never bought that and still dont.
in 9/11, its only through the Magic
Dutch Boy theory that you can believe these
people came over here without the knowledge
and consent of the U.S. government. The governments
story is that the year before the terrorists
began to arrive in force, two separate Dutch
nationals purchased separately the two flight
schools at the Venice, Florida, airport, that,
eight or nine months afterward, began training
terrorists how to fly.
HICKS: Right. But
when it all sort of fell apart, both Dutch
nationals happened to have two separate aircraft
correct. They are inconvenient people at this
point, because if either one of them ever
talked, it could bring down the government
of the current administration.
HICKS: Or, if, lets
say the 9/11 Commission bothered to take a
look at your book, or call any of the people
that are mentioned in it. You have a slew
of people that knew Mohamed Atta first hand.
HOPSICKER: This is
a job you would have thought the mainstream
press would have done. And if not the mainstream
press, then the official investigative arms
of the U.S. government.
HICKS: hmmm! But
HOPSICKER: Well, we have
to remember, there has been no investigation
of 9/11 to which the American people have
been privy. To this date, almost three years
afterwards, there has been no official investigation.
The Senate and House Committees, as you know,
met behind closed doors and released a report
that contained 28 blank pages. The current
9/11 Commission is only tasked with coming
up with suggestions to prevent a repeat of
9/11. To keep "it" from happening
again, but "it" has never been investigated.
So, I went to Florida, which is what any reporter
or homicide investigator would have done,
and started knocking on doors.
HICKS: And you had an
experience, you told me earlier, with Rudi
HICKS: You covered his
felony arraignment, at the courthouse?
HICKS: You were coming
out of the courthouse
HOPSICKER: He was sitting
on a bus bench, and I had to pass him to get
to my car. He stood up when he saw me and
began waving his arms in the air, and exclaiming
in a very loud voice, "ImWARNING
you. ImWARNING You." And
I stopped and I said, "Youre warning
me about what?" And he said, "Im
not going to talk to you, I dont want
to talk to you." And I said, "Well,
if you dont want to talk to me thats
all you have to say. But Warning me,
who the heck do you think you are?" And
as I walked past him out of the side of his
mouth, he said, "youll find
youll find out."
HICKS: Do you fear for
your personal safety?
HOPSICKER: Not at all.
HICKS: Why not?
Im chubby, bald and middle-aged.
HOPSICKER: You have
to face that at a certain point. And I did.
When I was writing Barry and the Boys,
I was getting death threats, I was "threatening
to compromise current operations."
HICKS: Since you mentioned
it, lets mention Barry and the Boys,
real quick, this is your background, youre
the author of this book about CIA drug-runner
Barry Seal. What are the similarities between
this book and the book about Mohamed Atta?
and the Boys gave me the knowledge of
how aviation crime is committed. And how state-sponsored
aviation crime is committed. Barry Seal was
the biggest drug smuggler in American history.
Four best sellers were written about him.
His operation at Mena [Arkansas] was used
to smear Bill Clinton, President Clinton,
during his entire term in office, until push
came to shove, and they went forward with
nothing but Monica Lewinsky. Barry Seal, I
discovered, unlike the four best sellers that
had been written about him, was a lifelong
CIA agent who flew at the Bay of Pigs. Who
flew weapons to Fidel Castro when the CIA
supported him, who flew a getaway plane out
of Dallas, Texas after the Kennedy assassination.
Had a major role in Watergate. None of which
had been published in the best sellers before
me, which is why my book was not a best seller.
[Laughs]. Thats what you find out. But
I was waiting for this book to come out when
September 11th happened. And three
days after September 11th happened,
it came out, in a really strange way, kind
of quiet, kind of sotto voce, that three of
the four terrorist pilots had learned to fly
in Venice, not just the two that had taken
down the World Trade Center, ostensibly, but
a third, Said Al-Jarrah And I thought, thats
really weird, because my parents had a retirement
home in Venice since 1975
HICKS: So, that was
your home base in Venice.
HOPSICKER: Well, its
a place that we would go to see our parents
three to four days every winter, and its
a family joke, theres nothing to do,
if youre under 65, in Venice, Florida,
so why would a 30 year old man, even if he
was a terrorist, especially if he was a terrorist
in the last year of his life, choose to fly
mean there are 220 flight schools in Florida
alone, why go to Venice? Well, if you were
choosing a flight school, you wouldnt
go to Venice, but if you were assigned
a flight school, or sent to one, you might,
and that would be a whole different story
than what the governments told us so
HICKS: Lets wrap
up by talking a little about Amanda Keller,
she was Mohamed Attas girlfriend in
Florida. You found her. Nobody else could
find her. What does she tell us about Mohamed
HOPSICKER: Two or three
really interesting things. Mohamed Atta had
an American girlfriend. With whom he lived
for two and a half months, in an apartment
across the street from the Venice airport,
at a time when the FBI says he was not in
Venice anymore. She was in the news briefly
after September 11th. Interviewed
by three or four local reporters, they did
stories on her, and then she disappeared.
And the story disappeared. Now, you
have never heard that Mohamed Atta had an
American girlfriend, because it never made
the national press. Which is itself bizarre.
Because she was a stripper when she knew him
you would think, "Interviews with the
Stripper Girlfriend of the Terrorist Mastermind
who has insider
information on Attas sex life
think it would be plastered everywhere. But
it wasnt. And she disappeared. And when
I tracked her down six months later, actually
a year later, she told me, as several other
witnesses told me, that she had been personally
intimidated, on a weekly basis, by the FBI,
into keeping her mouth shut, and not talking,
about what she knew. And the reason for that
becomes apparent when you see what she knew.
Youre about to see a clip
she knew intimate personal details, but she
had her eyes open
youre going to
see that two or three of Mohamed Attas
closest associates werent Arab. They
were German. German and Swiss.
HICKS: Daniel, thank
you for coming on the program, youre
doing work no one else is doing. We really
appreciate it. Lets close now by going
to the clip. This is the debut. Amanda Keller.
Mohamed Attas American girlfriend. No
one else has seen this because no one else
has done this story. Daniel Hopsicker found
her when nobody else would. So, enjoy:
CLIP of Hopsickers
Documentary on Amanda Keller:
Daniel Hopsicker in
Voice Over (VO): We thought that by now Diane
Sawyer, or someone else living in Disney Time/Warner
Land would already have done Amandas
story. Since they havent, well
offer what we have. From a videotape rolled
for video documentation, from an interview
with her at an undisclosed location. Atta
and Amanda met when she came into Poppa Johns
Pizza in Venice, where she was a manager.
Pay attention to who she said he was with:
Amanda: Mohamed came
in with Peter and Stephan, and Jurigen.
VO: If you listen
closely to Amandas tale, about an otherwise
unremarkable, casual hook up, Florida-style,
there are some nuggets of information about
Mohamed Atta that are real gold. From her
we learn, for example, that Mohamed Attas
associates were as likely to be German as
HOPSICKER: (Off Camera):
The first time you saw him he was with who?
Amanda: He was with
Peter and Stephan, and Jurigen.
HOPSICKER: So, he was
with three Germans?
KELLER: No, Jurigen
was the only German guy. Peter and Stephan
I thought were from Austria. That we later
went to Key West with.
first big date was a booze and drug filled
three-day weekend in the fleshpots of Key
KELLER: We went to
Key West for three days.
KELLER: Me, Mohamed,
Peter, Stephan and Linda.
KELLER: She told me
that she was a stripper, but she told the
told the newspaper that she worked for a cleaning
VO: Mohamed Atta
didnt act like any Islamic Fundamentalist
weve ever heard about.
KELLER: Peter, Stephan
and Mohamed were talking to these flight students
that were from the airport over there. They
were talking in a language, I didnt
know what it was
but Mohamed was fluent
in every language I could think of. He could
talk to anybody.
VO: Atta was a smooth
operator, fluent in half a dozen languages.
Atta was Wahabi 007.
HOPSICKER: When yall
got back yall had been up for 72 hours.
KELLER: No, we slept
and there, [laughs] for a few hours.
HOPSICKER: You were
partying, were they doing drugs?
KELLER: Yeah, but not
in front of me. They didnt do it in
front of me until I met everybody at the apartment.
VO: Amanda has even
more shocking news about Terrorist ringleader,
Islamic fundamentalist, and recreational drug
user, Mohamed Atta. When they were in Key
West, Mohamed and his German buddies went
to a meeting. And when they came back, they
were all glum.
KELLER: Peter, Stephan,
and Mohamed, all went to Hard Rock Café.
And they were meeting with people down there.
I dont know who, but somebody had flown
.I dont know who, but they said
somebody had flown in, in one of those little
single planes? To come speak to them. When
they had got back, they were waiting for us
on the dock, waiting for the boat to come
back. And everybody was kind of somber-looking.
You know, they were kind of quiet.
VO: Its obvious
what the meeting was about. Discussion about
the upcoming death of at least one of the
participants would tend to put a damper on
.What isnt obvious, is what
kind of Islamic Fundamentalist goes to meetings
in Key West with guys named Stephan and Jurigen?
the Networks Won't Tell You"
Interview with Daniel Hopsicker
by Sander Hicks
6/11/04 on INN World Report,
Speech TV, Channel 9415, DiSHNetwork